Within Orb
WITHIN ORB: A podcast featuring interviews with astrologers about the books that changed their lives and practice. Join host Dr Jenn Zahrt every Monday for a new conversation. Each (roughly) thirty minute episode takes you on a journey across the textual territories of astrological publishing, both historical and future. Along the way, you’ll gather insights into the shifting sands of astrological trends, techniques, and the proliferation of practices and praxis. Each episode ends with the guest’s recommendations of books for beginners. Be careful, your tsundoku pile is about to double, or even quadruple!
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Astrologer and author Alan Annand joins host Jenn Zahrt from Toronto in Ontario, Canada! It would be a crime not to pull up a chair for this one, so join the duo as they discuss Vedic astrology and more, including: planetary dignities and rulerships; functional benefics and malefics; the rules of horary; and illuminating Chandra Mangala Yoga and Mahabhagya Yoga! Plus: bookshop angels, passing down sacred knowledge, and “aha moments” that arrive years later!
Alan Annand joins Episode 83 of Within Orb!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded February 2025):
00:31 – Alan Annand is a Canadian astrologer, palmist and author. A former tutor for the British Faculty of Astrological Studies, he’s a graduate of the American College of Vedic Astrology, and Editor-in-Chief for ACVA Publications. He’s a longstanding student of Hart de Fouw, and has practiced astrology for over 40 years. His books on jyotisha – Kala Sarpa, Kama Yoga, Parivartana Yoga, and Stellar Astrology, Volumes 1-4 – have been praised for the quality of their research and writing. He’s also a crime novelist, whose New Age Noir mystery series (Scorpio Rising, Felonious Monk, Soma County) features a Vedic astrologer/palmist.
01:48 – Alan’s first astrology book was A Time for Astrology by Jess Stearn. Early on, he also read Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer by James Braha.
07:52 – If Alan could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Astrosynthesis: The Rational System of Horoscope Interpretation According to Morin de Villefranche by Jean-Baptiste Morin de Villefranche and translated by Lucy Little. (Jenn also shouts out her island pick, The Rules of Chart Interpretation by Rod Suskin.)
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17:33 – Alan’s second choice would be The Horary Textbook: Revised Edition by John Frawley.
19:44 – The third title Alan would bring is Phala Deepika by Mantreshwara and translated by S.S. Sareen. (Alan also mentions the Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra!)
31:22 – For beginners, Alan recommends getting a guru, but if books must be mentioned, he suggests Light on Life: An Introduction to the Astrology of India by Hart deFouw and Robert Svoboda.
35:49 – Find Alan at his website: https://www.navamsa.com/. And his YouTube channel is: @AlanAnnand.
36:20 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Mar 24, 2025
082 | Rebecca Farrar: Considering the Stars
Monday Mar 24, 2025
Monday Mar 24, 2025
Astrologer and writer Rebecca Farrar joins host Jenn Zahrt from the San Francisco Bay Area in California! Laugh along as the two chat about books, archetypal astrology and more, including: the unfolding journey of midlife; caring for your Pluto; and getting to a similar astrological place in different ways. All that, plus: the etymology of “consider” and “desire,” mapping the chakras, and pondering our lineage!
Rebecca Farrar joins Episode 82 of Within Orb!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded February 2025):
00:31 – Rebecca M. Farrar, M.A. (aka Wild Witch of the West) is an archetypal astrologer and wild woman living in the San Francisco Bay Area – Coast Miwok territory. Her work has been featured in The Mountain Astrologer, Elle, Reader’s Digest, Bustle, Astrology.com, and Elite Daily. For 15 years, Rebecca has provided soul-centered astrology readings, offering healing and insights on life purpose, relationships, and finding home. When not staring at astrology transits, she can be found getting lost on a hiking trail, curled up with a good book, or watching silly TikTok videos.
01:30 – Rebecca’s first astrology book was Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas.
06:09 – If Rebecca could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be Tarnas’s Cosmos and Psyche.
06:35 – Rebecca’s second choice would be Astrology and the Rising of Kundalini: The Transformative Power of Saturn, Chiron, and Uranus by Barbara Hand Clow.
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14:00 – The third title Rebecca would bring is Healing Pluto Problems by Donna Cunningham.
17:09 – For beginners, Rebecca recommends Planets in Play: How to Reimagine Your Life Through the Language of Astrology by Laurence Hillman and Codex of the Soul: Astrology, Archetypes, and Your Sacred Blueprint by VerDarLuz.
22:37 – Find Rebecca at her website: https://www.wildwitchwest.com/. On Facebook and Instagram, visit @wildwitchofthewest.
23:58 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Mar 17, 2025
081 | César Love: Sports Astrology
Monday Mar 17, 2025
Monday Mar 17, 2025
Astrologer and author César Love joins host Jenn Zahrt from the San Francisco Bay Area in California! Join the team, as the two venture into left field to chat about sports, books, and more, including: the 1890s Neptune-Pluto conjunction and the birth of basketball; Chiron and collective rage; synodic cycles; and the distinction between gambling, prediction, and sports! Plus: “Team Dionysius,” the astrology of uniform and logo colors, and… book covers matter!
César Love joins Episode 81 of Within Orb!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025):
00:31 – César Love is an astrologer and poet based in Northern California. His book, Baseball: An Astrological Sightline, is the result of decades of research and observations. It charts the astrological history of every Major League baseball team and presents methods for observing the effects of astrological transits in every baseball game. He recently began a deep study of the astrology of basketball. His astrological writings appear in The Mountain Astrologer, Dell Horoscope, and the NCGR Memberletter. Along with Andrea Mallis, César Love produces a podcast titled Love Sports Astrology that explores the astrology within our current sports.
01:10 – Join the scavenger hunt: César can’t remember the name of his first astrology book, but it was psychological and offered the signs as archetypes. It explained the type of religion that each sign is attracted to!
05:49 – If César could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas.
11:00 – César’s second choice would be Chiron in Love: The Astrology of Envy, Rage, Compassion and Wisdom by Liz Greene.
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13:56 – The third title César would bring is The Lunation Cycle by Dane Rudhyar.
24:36 – For beginners, César recommends going to a local library and finding a book that speaks to you. (Yay – we love libraries, natch!)
26:40 – Find César at his website: https://baseballastrology.com/. And join César on Zoom for his talk at the Seattle Theosophical Society, “Baseball’s Pagan Roots and The Astrology of the Mariners,” on Sunday, March 23rd, 2025 at 4pm PT.
27:56 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Mar 10, 2025
080 | Mark Jones: The Soul’s Unfoldment
Monday Mar 10, 2025
Monday Mar 10, 2025
Astrologer, therapist, and author Mark Jones joins host Jenn Zahrt from Wales in the UK! This deep and personal conversation covers lots of ground, including: how the archetypes evolve, including Saturn’s cultural and historical changes; the observer effect and attention as a moral act; the astrological worldview understood on a serious level; the natal chart as where you start, not where you finish (and the unfoldment of your engagement with it); the humanistic perspective as a grounding for the transpersonal; and Mark’s experience studying with author Jeffrey Wolf Green. Plus: the tree of life and Kabbalistic astrology, the map of the path, and knowing about an experience versus living it!
Mark Jones joins Episode 80 of Within Orb!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded February 2025):
00:31 – Mark Jones is an astrologer, psychosynthesis therapist and hypnotherapist based in South Wales and works with clients and students all over the world. Mark is a regular speaker and workshop leader in North America. Mark’s first book explains his approach, Healing the Soul: Pluto, Uranus and the Lunar Nodes. Mark’s second book, The Soul Speaks: The Therapeutic Power of Astrology, explores the transformative power of the natal chart reading. Mark has a joint book, Dialogues: Tools for the Working Astrologer, with Frank Clifford. And Mark has contributed chapters in: Astrology: The New Generation; Transpersonal Astrology; and Insights into Evolutionary Astrology. In 2020 Mark published his third book, The Planetary Nodes and Collective Evolution.
00:45 – Mark’s first astrology books were The Astrologer's Handbook by Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker and The Anatomy of Fate: Kabbalistic Astrology by Warren Kenton.
12:35 – If Mark could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas. (He also mentions The Book of World Horoscopes by Nicholas Campion and the work of Liz Greene!)
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23:37 – Mark’s second choice would be From Humanistic to Transpersonal Astrology by Dane Rudhyar.
31:55 – The third title Mark would bring is Pluto: The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul by Jeffrey Wolf Green. (And a hat tip to the work of Howard Sasportas and Stephen Arroyo!)
38:05 – For beginners, Mark recommends Principles of Astrology by Charles and Suzy Harvey and The Inner Sky by Steven Forrest
43:40 – Find Mark – and learn about his classes and trainings – at his website: https://markjonesastrology.com/.
46:14 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Mar 03, 2025
079 | Berna Lee: The Constancy of Change & Chinese Astrology
Monday Mar 03, 2025
Monday Mar 03, 2025
Astrologer Berna Lee joins host Jenn Zahrt from London, England to chat about the long lens of history, astrology books, the Chinese sky and more, including: various translations of the I Ching; the 28 lunar mansions; a collaborative research project distilled into a poetic archive for 45 generations; and personal empowerment and growth as a key part of life, healing, and creative inspiration! All that, plus: growing up with a deep astrological lineage, choosing your own adventure, and chameleon synchronicity!
Berna Lee joins Episode 79 of Within Orb!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded February 2025):
00:31 – Berna Lee, an MA graduate in Cultural Astronomy and Astrology, earned distinction for her dissertation on the theory and practice of Chinese astrology in modern Hong Kong. A Chinese astrologer and 45th-generation practitioner, she descends from the Lees of Wong Jim 凰漸李氏, a royal lineage tracing back to the Tang Dynasty. Berna has inherited and preserved the teachings of the Tang royal family, passed down through generations from the esteemed royal astrologer Yang Junsong 楊筠松.
01:40 – Berna’s first astrology book was 通勝 Tung Shing, or The Chinese Farmer’s Almanac.
09:29 – If Berna could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be the previously mentioned Chinese Almanac! But since that’s her “freebie,” her next choice would be a copy of the I Ching (stay tuned for more)! The discussion kicks off, however, with You Were Born For This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance by Chani Nicholas.
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12:34 – More discussion on the I Ching! The version Berna suggests for English readers is Understanding the I Ching: The Wilhelm Lectures on the Book of Changes by Hellmut Wilhelm and Richard Wilhelm.
22:16 – The third title Berna would bring is an unpublished book passed on from her long line of royal astrological ancestors, which Berna describes as a collection of poems of the stars!
30:49 – For beginners, Berna recommends a few, including the Tao Te Ching and the I Ching.
32:18 – Find Berna at her Instagram page: @astromergency. And consider hopping into her Short Course at the Sophia Centre: http://sophia-project.net/lectures-and-seminars/shortcourses/2025-lee-chinese-cultural-a-and-a.php.
33:20 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Feb 24, 2025
078 | Dave Campbell: Forensics of the Future
Monday Feb 24, 2025
Monday Feb 24, 2025
Astrologer, author, and president of the AFA Dave Campbell joins host Jenn Zahrt from Tempe (and Glendale!), AZ! This fascinating conversation covers forensic astrology, book publishing, and more, including: the composite chart of a group; understanding the rising sign; predictive astrology; how asteroids offer detail (including Chiron as a master teacher and astrologer); and pinpointing or eliminating suspects. Plus: the American Federation of Astrologers (AFA), how the stars can help find missing people, and keeping the publishing culture alive!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded February 2025):
00:31 – Dave is a full-time astrologer, owner of The Astrology Store in Glendale, AZ and the president of the AFA in Tempe. He has written three astrology books: Forensic Astrology, Interpreting Asteroids, and Amazing Asteroid Stories.
03:49 – Dave’s first astrology book – in third grade – was Sun Signs by Linda Goodman! As a young adult, he found A to Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator by Llewellyn George. Finally, he shouts out The Rising Sign: Your Astrological Mask by Jeanne Avery.
06:36 – If Dave could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be the previously mentioned The Rising Sign by Jeanne Avery.
07:21 – Dave’s second choice would be Predictive Astrology: Cycles of Change, Seasons of Meaning by Michele Adler.
09:13 – The third title Dave would bring is Asteroid Goddesses by Demetra George with Douglas Bloch.
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12:37 – For beginners, Dave recommends The Astrologer's Handbook by Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker and Planets in Transit by Robert Hand. (And enjoy the side convo about The Transiting Planets – also by Sakoian and Acker – as well as info on Helen Adams Garrett’s pamphlets!)
16:17 – Learn more about the AFA at: https://www.astrologers.com/!
17:36 – Find Dave is at his website: https://theastrologystore.com/. On Insta, find him: @the.astrology.store. And on Facebook: @TheAstrologyStore. And join Dave this summer for his 10-week course on forensic astrology!
21:25 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Feb 17, 2025
077 | Alexander Baker: Bringing an Empirical Touch to Woo
Monday Feb 17, 2025
Monday Feb 17, 2025
Astrologer and writer Alexander Baker joins host Jenn Zahrt from Pittsburgh, PA to chat books and more! Rise above the horizon and join the duo for a conversation covering: the decans and faces; fixed stars; divinatory systems; secondary, tertiary, and converse progressions; humanistic roots, and more. Plus: tossing coins in the fountain, less is more, and space-time synesthesia!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded December 2024):
00:01 – Jenn introduces the show with a reminder to join her Kepler College Advanced Progressions class with Camm Cassidy, which started yesterday (February 16). It’s not too late to join – enrollment is available until February 19, 2025!
01:10 – Alexander Baker is a writer, astrologer, and vinyasa yoga teacher from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, whose approach blends Hellenistic and modern techniques. His astrology is animistic and relational, using a blend of decanic imagery and psychological application to invite others into deeper dialogue with the Story they find themselves enmeshed in.
03:49 – Alexander’s first astrology books were a combination of pop astrology texts like The Secret Language of Birthdays by Gary Goldschneider and The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need by Joanna Martine Woolfolk. Early on, he also worked with the Thoth tarot deck, scoured articles online, and dove into the writings of Aleister Crowley.
09:22 – If Alexander could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Austin Coppock’s 36 Faces: The History, Astrology and Magic of the Decans.
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13:13 – Calling in Sun-Uranus energy, Alexander offers a runner-up: Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas.
15:49 – Alex’s second choice would be The Moment of Astrology: Origins in Divination by Geoffrey Cornelius.
16:26 – The third title Alexander would bring is The Astrological Houses: The Spectrum of Individual Experience by Dane Rudhyar.
19:45 – Breaking the rules for another pick, Alex mentions Psyche and Symbol: A Selection from the Writings of C. G. Jung by Carl Jung (edited by Violet S. De Laszlo).
30:47 – For beginners, Alexander recommends… nothing! JK (sort of)! He talks about the importance of looking up charts. But in addition to that, he mentions You Were Born For This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance by Chani Nicholas, Astrology: Using the Wisdom of the Stars in Your Everyday Life by Carole Taylor, and having a Robert Hand on hand (lol)!
33:49 – The best place to find Alex is at his website: https://www.reverieastrology.com/. His YouTube channel is @alexbakerastro. And on IG and Threads, follow: @reverie.unfold.
34:38 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Feb 10, 2025
Reboot 054 | Alberto Forero: A Geminian Plethora of Books!
Monday Feb 10, 2025
Monday Feb 10, 2025
This week, we’re tossing it back to a comprehensive and fun episode! Astrologer Alberto Forero joined host Jenn Zahrt from San Francisco, California to offer a myriad of astrology texts, bolstered by his Gemini sense of curiosity! In this chat, Alberto and Jenn covered some wonderful territory, including: fixed stars and constellations; bringing astronomy into astrology; the Uranus/North Node conjunction in Taurus; symbolism and metaphors; when astrology went underground; balancing temperament; physiognomy and cultural biases; astro charts with thumbprint patterns; Ceres, Pallas, Juno, and Vesta; sensitive degrees; extending ephemerides; a hypothetical map of astro migration and data visualization; fantasteroids; creating degree symbols; and geomancy. Plus: rethinking book cover designs, reporting from humanity’s living room, and… a degree system based on David Bowie albums!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded June 2024):
00:01 – Jenn introduces the show and offers some great new classes: Join her for the CAELi Lab on Comparative House Systems starting February 12 and her Kepler College Advanced Progressions class with Camm Cassidy starting February 16!
02:38 – Alberto Forero has studied and practiced astrology since 2017, practicing both traditional and modern techniques in bringing ancient wisdom to clients. His interest in astrology emerged from several threads: fascination with symbolism, psychology, and alchemy. Alberto serves as President of the San Francisco Astrological Society and is the co-host of the YouTube astrology game show “Astrology Deathmatch.”
03:05– Alberto found astrology when a work colleague did a reading for him, and he got the astro-bug! His very first book was Parker's Astrology (New Edition): The Definitive Guide to Using Astrology in Every Aspect of Your Life Paperback by Julia and Derek Parker.
06:24 – If Alberto could pack only three books on a long trip, what would he bring? The first one would be the voluminous Secrets of the Ancient Skies, Vol. 1 and 2 by Diana K. Rosenberg. This text offers a massive amount of knowledge, and the historical info is vast. It also offers good info on fixed stars and constellations.
09:41 – Alberto’s second choice is The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols by Jean Chevalier and Alain Gheerbrant, and translated by John Buchanan-Brown. This one is like popcorn for your mind, and it helps Alberto with the symbolic understanding of reality!
15:34 – The third title that Alberto would bring is the wonderful Temperament: Astrology's Forgotten Key by Dorian Gieseler Greenbaum, because it helps get a good baseline sense of a person.
18:45 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug!
19:32 – Alberto also shared some Gemini bonus books! A hat tip goes to: Your Destiny in Thumb: Indian System of Thumb Reading by R. G. Ra; Ephemerides of the Asteroids: Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta, 1900-2000 by Eleanor Bach; the controversial Rules for Planetary Pictures (Uranian System): Adapted from the Teachings of Alfred Witte by Hans Niggemann; Astrology and the Modern Psyche by Dane Rudhyar; and Astrolabium Planum by Johann Engel. And Jenn gave a shout-out to A Graphic Ephemeris of Sensitive Degrees also by Eleanor Bach!
28:39 – Wondering what fantasteroids are? Learn about them here!
32:31 – For beginners, Alberto recommends The Geomancer's Handbook: Divination and Magic by John Michael Greer, and Astrology: Using the Wisdom of the Stars in Your Everyday Life by Carole Taylor.
38:02 – Find Alberto at his website: https://www.translationoflight.org/. And he’s also the curator of @MuseumAstro on Twitter/X (the visual history of astrology).
38:33 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Meet your host!
Jenn Zahrt PhD is an author, artist, publisher, poet, translator, and teacher of cultural astronomy and astrology. She researches the many forms of astrology emergent across human cultures past and present, with a special focus on early twentieth century German culture.
In 2012 she completed her doctoral thesis, The Astrological Imaginary in Early Twentieth Century Germany, at the University of California, Berkeley. From 2017–2022 she was appointed as an Honorary Research Fellow at the Sophia Centre for the Study of Cosmology in Culture at the University of Wales Trinity Saint David, after receiving her MA in Cultural Astronomy and Astrology (2015).
She has taught and lectured domestically and internationally in places such as Canada, the United Kingdom, and Germany. She’s an emerita of the board of trustees for Kepler College, as well as the Association for Young Astrologers. Her volunteer work for the community continues with her 2023 appointment as a Board Director for the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR).
Zahrt is the founder of Revelore Press, the creative director of the Sophia Centre Press, and the deputy editor of the peer-reviewed journal Culture and Cosmos. In 2021 she founded the Celestial Arts Education Library Institute in Olympia, WA, where she currently lives.

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