Within Orb
WITHIN ORB: A podcast featuring interviews with astrologers about the books that changed their lives and practice. Join host Dr Jenn Zahrt every Monday for a new conversation. Each (roughly) thirty minute episode takes you on a journey across the textual territories of astrological publishing, both historical and future. Along the way, you’ll gather insights into the shifting sands of astrological trends, techniques, and the proliferation of practices and praxis. Each episode ends with the guest’s recommendations of books for beginners. Be careful, your tsundoku pile is about to double, or even quadruple!
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Astrologer, teacher, and author Freedom Cole joins host Jenn Zahrt to chat about Vedic astrology texts and much more! In this episode, our lovely duo offers food for thought on: various schools in the Vedic tradition, elections, death calculations as a practical technique, horary astrology, medical astrology, converse progressions, Jenn’s experience with a fasting remedy, time lords in your parents’ chart, and the stars and planets as a big clock. Plus: triple Ganesh song bursts, philosophical musings on time in the Vedic tradition, and teaching you how to think!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded Oct. 2023):
00:31 – Freedom is a practitioner of Jyotish, Yoga, Āyurveda, and the Vedic Sciences. He loves to teach traditional Vedic astrology in a practical way, integrating modern astrology with ancient wisdom. As an expert in the Indian astrological tradition, Freedom kicks off today’s show highlighting Ganesh!
02:56 – Astrology was chasing Freedom from a young age! His first introduction was an Indian numerology text by Harish Johari which used the planets to reveal the meaning of numbers. Then, The Only Astrology Book You’ll Ever Need by Joanna Martine Woolfolk made a brief appearance. However, once Freedom took a medical astrology class, the fire was lit! The book that really calls to him is Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra, which is largely attributed to author Maharishi Parasara.
14:01 – The first book Freedom would bring with him to a desert island is Prashna Marga by Harihara. This is a practical, 16th century text that explains concepts in a simply way and doesn’t waste words.
17:05 – Interlude: Join CAELi’s inaugural annual support campaign and snag yourself a Saturn stress-relief ball. (Yes, you read that right!)
17:52 – Freedom’s second book selection is Kalaprakashika, which is a Bengali text that offers info about elections, as well as nuggets about general chart utilizations. This one still beautifully challenges Freedom, even many years later.
20:27 – Freedom’s third pick would be the previously mentioned Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra (the critical edition!). Freedom teaches this book in his classes, and it still reveals itself to him. (Tune in for a fascinating side conversation about the directionality of time!)
28:53 – Freedom suggests a few texts for beginners: Crux of Vedic Astrology: Timing of Events by Sanjay Rath; Astrology of the Seers: A Guide to Vedic/Hindu Astrology by David Frawley; and Light on Life: An Introduction to the Astrology of India by Hart de Fouw and Robert Svoboda. Finally, for someone interested in diving into the deep end of Vedic astrology, Freedom recommends his books: Science of Light, Volumes 1 & 2.
30:29 – Although Freedom is not currently seeing clients, you can learn about his classes at: https://www.scienceoflight.net/.
30: – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Nov 27, 2023
021 | Baris Ilhan: Becoming & Being Ourselves
Monday Nov 27, 2023
Monday Nov 27, 2023
Astrological titan Baris Ilhan joins host Jenn Zahrt from Bodrum, Turkey for a fascinating, one-of-a-kind chat! Baris is an astrologer, author, publisher, translator, researcher, teacher, and founder of the Ilhan Astrology Institute. This not-to-be-missed episode covers: the 8th house, self-actualization, blending modern and traditional astrology, Ottoman astrological research, the intersection of mysticism and philosophy, and more. Plus: learning from each other, using the planets while alive, and finding the symbolism of the planets within the field of ethics!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded Oct. 2023):
00:31 – Baris has been a professional astrologer since 1993. In 1997, she founded her publishing house, helping to translate and bring to bookstores about two dozen texts. She is also the author of two books: The Puberty Age of Adults: Planetary Cycles and Astrology Lessons, which is a textbook for her students.
00:54 – Baris’s first astrology text is a bit of a mystery! She remembers buying astrology books from American soldiers at a military base near her home; the almanacs offered interesting info about the signs. Then there was a book printed in Turkey, perhaps called something like Astrology: Your Future. Linda Goodman’s books made a brief entrance, too, but the one that caught her attention the most was The Astrologer's Handbook by Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker.
05:52 – Which books have influenced Baris’s practice the most? Two of Stephen Arroyo’s books make the list: Astrology, Psychology, and the Four Elements: An Energy Approach to Astrology and Its Use in the Counseling Arts and Astrology, Karma, & Transformation: The Inner Dimensions of the Birth Chart. Howard Sasportas’s The Twelve Houses also earns a spot on the roll. Astrologer Michael Lutin gets a nod for his lectures (not a book, but good stuff nonetheless). Finally, Jeff Green’s Pluto: The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul and Steven Forrest’s The Inner Sky make the cut.
07:50 – Tune in to hear Baris’s instrumental role in the transmission of astrological knowledge into Turkey, and her journey in opening her own publishing house!
13:24 – Interlude: Join CAELi’s inaugural annual support campaign and snag yourself a Saturn stress ball. (Yes, you read that right!)
14:11 – Baris explains how a 1998 conference with Rick Tarnas and Stanislav Grof led her to look at her own culture. She then began a period of research into the Ottoman Empire and studied 13th-century astrologer and author Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, translating his books (and others!) from Persian into Turkish and English over many years. This is an ongoing project, as she’s currently translating a horary book into Turkish, and then plans to translate it into English. Wow, and thank you, Baris!
21:36 – For beginners, Baris invites you to learn the basics through her previously mentioned textbook, as well as via her planetary cycles book.
21:59 – Find Baris on her popular Instagram channel, and via her website.
23:16 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Nov 20, 2023
020 | Gary Lorentzen: Astro-History, Language, & Measuring Time
Monday Nov 20, 2023
Monday Nov 20, 2023
Astrologer, teacher, and historian Gary Lorentzen joins host Jenn Zahrt in this sweet reunion episode: Gary was Jenn’s first astrology teacher in high school! Join the warmth as Gary and Jenn chat about must-know books, archetypal shifts in history, the intersection of synchronicity and physics, the four humors, humanistic psychological approaches, the eight phases in progressions, the Barbault index, and more. Plus: humans as meaning-making creatures; measuring time vs. marking time; and… can you guess what the least lucrative form of astrology is?
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded June 2023):
00:31 – Gary has been studying astrology since 1972. He takes not only a psychological approach to interpretation, but also focuses on what he dubs “astro-history” (the mundane studies of history and geopolitics). He’s an educator who is trained as a historian, with a graduate degree in Medieval Germanic Linguistics. Gary was one of the original founders of Kepler College, and helped to develop the curriculum for Kepler’s bachelor program. He also served as president of the Washington State and Oregon Astrological Associations.
00:48 – Gary remembers initially buying two astrology books back in the day. First up: Dane Rudhyar’s The Astrology of Personality, which gave Gary a practical way of looking at astrology and observing its applications. He also purchased Marc Edmund Jones’s Astrology: How and Why It Works; this one is a wonderful, and challenging, philosophical text. (And did Gary write the date and time he bought these texts on the inside covers? Yes, he did – a budding astrologer for sure!)
04:46 – What other books changed Gary’s astrology life? Three Books on Life by Marsilio Ficino, who basically did modern psychological astrology in the 15th century! In this text, Gary sees the intellectual threads that led to Rudhyar and humanistic psychology. Also, the tome Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas makes the list.
14:16 – Gary explains how he became an astro-historian, which differs from mundane astrology.
15:27 – Interlude: Join CAELi’s inaugural annual support campaign and snag yourself a Saturn stress ball. (Yes, you read that right!)
16:13 – The books that helped Gary develop his practice with astro-history include: Planetary Cycles: Mundane Astrology by André Barbault; The Book of World Horoscopes by Nick Campion; and Cycles of Becoming by Alexander Ruperti. (Included is a lovely side trip to Cosmobiology: The Engine of Destiny by Marc Robertson, where Gary gives an elegant description of the eight phases of any two planets in the progressed chart.)
25:14 – For beginners, Gary would recommend something formulaic, like Joanne Wickenburg’s The Spiral of Life: Unlocking Your Potential With Astrology. This one offers a great foundation!
28:38 – Find Gary at his site: http://garylorentzen.com/. And check out the blog post he references, Planetary Pairs and the Aspects in the Eight Phases of their Synodic Cycles.
30:10 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Nov 13, 2023
019 | Jenny Montgomery: Time, Fate, & Choice
Monday Nov 13, 2023
Monday Nov 13, 2023
Astrologer, artist, and academic Jenny Montgomery sits down with host Jenn Zahrt from Missoula, Montana to chat about books (both real and imagined!) and more: correspondences, primary directions, archetypes, archaic instincts, synchronicity, zodiacal releasing, and Neptune remediation. Plus: conjuring up a graphic novel for Project Hindsight, walking the Prague zodiac, and… are a plethora of Jennifers the secret to the universe??
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded Oct. 2023):
00:31 – As a graduate student at Columbia University, Jenny focused on the history of esoteric sciences in the medieval Greco-Arab world. She then traveled on a Fulbright-Hayes Dissertation Research Fellowship to study in Cairo, Istanbul, and Oxford for her PhD thesis, which examined the relationship between Greek and Arabic astrology as practiced by the 11th century Egyptian physician Ali Ibn Ridwan.
01:31 – The first astrology book that Jenny read was a colorful, illustrated kid-friendly book from the 1970s! Unfortunately, she no longer has that exact book, but a similarly delightful one would be Heaven on Earth by Fritz Wegner. (Tabs we can pull? A pop-up with wheels that spin? Count us in!) Another that was influential was Ali Ibn Ridwan’s commentary on Ptolemy’s Tetrabiblos.
07:04 – If Jenny were going to a remote place, which three books would she bring? Waving a magic wand, she would love to conjure up a text that doesn’t exist: the book on astrology that C. G. Jung would have written had he not been embarrassed to talk about it! Enjoy the side trip to Liz Greene’s two-volume Jung’s Studies in Astrology and Clare Martin’s Alchemy: The Soul of Astrology.
12:24 – Interlude: Join CAELi’s inaugural annual support campaign and snag yourself a Saturn stress ball. (Yes, you read that right!)
13:10 – Jenny’s second selection also arrives on the imaginary bus: the unwritten books by Robert Schmidt of Project Hindsight. Currently, Robert’s work is in hard-to-find audio form. Time, philosophy, and wonderful idiosyncratic theories all take the stage here.
16:52 – Jenny’s final pick is a deep dive into the intriguing city of Prague, which is laid out according to the zodiac! Check out Praga Mysteriosa: The Secret of the Prague Solstice by Milan Spurek. Take a trip to Prague and walk your birth chart! (Hat tip to Michal Maryška, who will soon release a series of books about the Prague zodiac.)
20:28 – For beginners, Jenny recommends: the previously mentioned Heaven on Earth; Rex Bill’s The Rulership Book (with bonus points for Jenn’s mention of The Book of Rulerships by Lee Lehman); Key Words for Astrology by Hajo Banzhaf and Anna Haebler; and Sun Sign, Moon Sign: Discover the Personality Secrets of the 144 Sun-Moon Combinations by Charles Harvey and Suzi Harvey.
24:54 – Jenny's website is: http://www.jenny-montgomery.com/.
25:28 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Nov 06, 2023
018 | SJ Anderson: Unleashing the Infinite Depths of Astrology
Monday Nov 06, 2023
Monday Nov 06, 2023
Astrologer and writer SJ Anderson joins host Jenn Zahrt from Albania! SJ and Jenn get within orb, offering a fascinating book chat and more: from dispositor trees, to Jupiter cycles that lead to new relationships and careers, to confirmation bias, to Mars and Venus synodic phase returns, to calling in our celestial birthright. All that, plus: the planetization of consciousness, the times it might be appropriate to toss astrology in the junker, and… you’re a beautiful time slice, doncha know!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded July 2023):
00:31 – SJ Anderson went down the rabbit hole of astrology after meeting Jenn! He’d previously studied the esoteric and occult world of tarot. Check out SJ’s popular X channel and YouTube channel for more.
02:33 – SJ’s first astrology book was really 40 astrology books! (Hats off to public libraries everywhere!)
07:34 – One title that does stand out from back in the day, though, is Kevin Burk’s Astrology: Understanding the Birth Chart. SJ loved how this book taught him rulership. Also, drawing his dispositor tree helped him to see his chart in a whole new way; it’s still essential to how he does his work.
10:44 – SJ’s desert island picks include two ancient texts: Vettius Valens’s Anthology (books 1 and 2 in the series), as well as reading by Ptolemy. And…
11:52 – … let’s break down SJ’s third selection, New Mansions for New Men. In this book, author Dane Rudhyar ties together the ancient ways of thinking with the challenges of the modern world. SJ found Rudhyar’s distillation of the planets and houses helpful, and appreciates his writing style.
22:08 – Visit our sponsor: The AstroMagia Online Conference hosted by JD Kelley (November 16-18, 2023)!
34:43 – If someone were crushing on astrology as a newbie, what books would SJ recommend? For sure the previously mentioned Astrology: Understanding the Birth Chart by Burk. Also, Traditional Astrology for Today: An Introduction by Benjamin Dykes, which is a small book and a great primer on traditional core concepts. Finally, Demetra George’s Astrology and the Authentic Self: Integrating Traditional and Modern Astrology to Uncover the Essence of the Birth Chart, which offers useful personal application.
37:58 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Oct 30, 2023
017 | Rory Keys: An Aural Spritz of Talismanic Graffiti
Monday Oct 30, 2023
Monday Oct 30, 2023
Astrologer and mage Rory Keys joins host Jenn Zahrt to share the astrology books he’d use to get off a desert island (clever info on fishing spots, scorpion repellant, and boat construction included)! Throwing down the astrological gauntlet, Rory and Jenn cover substantial ground: traditional and medieval astrology; electing by the last aspect of the Moon; planetary hours; several timing and forecasting techniques; hermetic lots, bound lords, and beyond! Plus: 100-year-old book shops, the decans, and… can we really profect from anything?
View full show notes at our Within Orb pod page!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded July 2023):
00:31 – Rory joins us from London, where he loves to study the revival of traditional astrological techniques and innovations from the Hellenistic era.
00:48 – We jump right in! What was the first astrology book that landed in Rory’s hands? Astrologickal Magick by Estelle Daniels, which offers an excellent introduction to astrology and a hilarious writing style. He also appreciates that Estelle shares info on planetary hours and the last aspect of the Moon. (Side trip to Austin Coppock’s 36 Faces included at no extra charge!)
10:07 – Rory has put serious thought into how to get off a desert island using only three astrology books! His first selection, which presents oodles of reading material, is Vettius Valens’s epic tome The Anthology. Lots of hidden treasure here!
21:02 – Visit our sponsor: The AstroMagia Online Conference hosted by JD Kelley (November 16-18, 2023)!
22:01 – Want to have access to primo fishing spots, as well as scorpion-repelling help? Then dig into Rory’s next selection, the Picatrix: A Medieval Treatise on Astral Magic translated by Dan Attrell and David Porreca.
23:34 – Finally, to construct a boat – and for practical purposes – Rory will bring along Benjamin Dykes’s English translation of 'Umar al-Tabarī’s Arabic translation of a Persian translation of Dorotheus of Sidon’s poetic treatise on ancient astrology Carmen Astrologicum, originally penned in Greek verse in the first century AD. (It’s ok! We’ll give you a second to catch your breath!)
26:59 – What books would Rory suggest to a beginner? Definitely Astrologickal Magick, because there are treats in there not found elsewhere in a single text. For a focus on Hellenistic astrology, check out Chris Brennan’s Hellenistic Astrology: The Study of Fate and Fortune. (Bonus? It’s so big you can build a shelter with it!) The previously mentioned, out-of-print 36 Faces offers a unique perspective on the decans of the zodiac, if you can find a copy! Finally, take a dive into The Great Introduction to the Science of the Judgments of the Stars by Abū Maʿshar Jaʿfar ibn Muḥammad, translated by Benjamin Dykes. This last one has wonderful footnotes and presents tons of great info!
38:07 – To learn more about Rory or schedule a consultation, visit his website.
38:40 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Oct 23, 2023
016 | Stormie Grace: Living Alive & Dying Alive
Monday Oct 23, 2023
Monday Oct 23, 2023
Astrologer and digital nomad Stormie Grace joins host Jenn Zahrt this week for a deep and heartfelt chat! This wise-yet-practical episode offers meaningful books, soul stories that touch on inner life, and food for thought on embracing the grief and gratitude that arrive in the season of shedding and rebirth. Plus: Go through it, don’t get through it; How to embrace our secondary progressed lunation cycle; and… What do Indiana Jones and puppy feet have in common?
View full show notes at our Within Orb pod page!
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*****
Episode timestamps (conversation recorded July 2023):
00:31 – Stormie joins us from Sevilla, Spain, where delicious tapas and snacks await!
01:22 – We start with an awakening: One of Stormie’s first connections to astrology happened while she read the horoscopes in the back of Teen magazine back in the day! And during her first Saturn square, the astrology available at a metaphysical fair felt like… a remembering.
04:50 – The first astrology book that Stormie read was by Jan Spiller and was a homecoming of sorts. All of Jan’s books speak to her, but tune in for this fascinating conversation about Jan’s Astrology for the Soul, which explains the driving forces of the Lunar Nodes. Great example using the Cancer North Node (and Capricorn South Node, natch) included!!
14:29 – Visit our sponsor: The AstroMagia Online Conference hosted by JD Kelley (November 16-18, 2023)!
15:27 – There was only one astrology book that made it into Stormie’s carry-on while moving to Spain, and it’s her first pick: Finding Our Way Through the Dark by Demetra George. This one speaks to Stormie about how the shape of light that you reflect shows up in the world. It also prods us to be comfortable in talking about death; we are of nature, after all. (And tune in for a profoundly thoughtful convo about the secondary progressed New Moon! #ImNotCryingYoureCrying)
26:18 – Kindles count! Stormie’s next selection is The Book of the Moon: Discovering Astrology’s Lost Dimension by Steven Forrest, because it helps us tune in to the motivations and safety features that folks need. Love the concrete Lunar-Land examples, quiche and all!
31:39 – Finally, one more choice from astro-wizard Steven Forrest: The Inner Sky: How to Make Wiser Choices for a More Fulfilling Life. Stormie finds meaning in Evolutionary Astrology, and she loves the way Steven breaks down how to do the work.
32:33 – Where would Stormie point a new astrology student? First, start where it’s free! There are lots of helpful podcasts and YouTube videos available, so do some exploration. But in terms of books, Stormie recommends The Inner Sky or Astrology for Dummies – both of which would increase the astrological literacy of the public.
34:18 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Oct 16, 2023
015 | Lars Panaro: Scattering Karmic Stardust
Monday Oct 16, 2023
Monday Oct 16, 2023
Astrologer and musician Lars Panaro sits down with CAELi’s founder, Jenn Zahrt, for a wide-ranging chat: from astrology and music, to flipping the zodiac, to cookbook delineations, to Dorotheus’s sibling technique, to Mars and theology (do they go together?), to hope and lack as two sides of the same coin. All that, plus: the Lot of Absence, being in the trenches, and… are we all being hazed by the past??
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded June 2023):
00:52 – Welcome, Lars! Lars found astrology when he was pursuing a degree in guitar performance. (And check out his band, Karmic Ashes!)
02:32 – The first astrology-reading connection that Lars made was via the Dane Rudhyar archival project, which included info on traditional and modern planetary rulerships. This led him to Rudhyar’s book The Pulse of Life: New Dynamics in Astrology, which he devoured in two days! Lars loved how he understood the signs so deeply after reading this text.
07:24 – If Lars were in Antarctica and could only bring three books, what would they be? First up: The Lunation Cycle: A Key to the Understanding of Personality by Dane Rudhyar. (You’re probably looking at the Moon a lot if you’re stranded, right?) This book captures something profound about cycles and time.
08:27 – Next, Lars would take along A To Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator by Llewellyn George. This is a modern, twentieth-century pick with roots in traditional astrology.
18:54 – Visit our sponsor: The AstroMagia Online Conference hosted by JD Kelley (November 16-18, 2023)!
19:53 – Finally, Lars would carry Persian Nativities by Abu Bakr al-Hasib (the Dr. Dykes translation), because he finds insights in this text not found elsewhere!
28:52 – Which books for beginners would Lars recommend? First, the previously mentioned A To Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator. Also, The Practice of Astrology as a Technique in Human Understanding by Rudhyar because it’s short and sweet. And two by John Frawley: The Real Astrology and The Real Astrology Applied. (Also, Frawley’s book on horary astrology if that’s of interest to you!)
34:18 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Meet your host!
Jenn Zahrt PhD is an author, artist, publisher, poet, translator, and teacher of cultural astronomy and astrology. She researches the many forms of astrology emergent across human cultures past and present, with a special focus on early twentieth century German culture.
In 2012 she completed her doctoral thesis, The Astrological Imaginary in Early Twentieth Century Germany, at the University of California, Berkeley. From 2017–2022 she was appointed as an Honorary Research Fellow at the Sophia Centre for the Study of Cosmology in Culture at the University of Wales Trinity Saint David, after receiving her MA in Cultural Astronomy and Astrology (2015).
She has taught and lectured domestically and internationally in places such as Canada, the United Kingdom, and Germany. She’s an emerita of the board of trustees for Kepler College, as well as the Association for Young Astrologers. Her volunteer work for the community continues with her 2023 appointment as a Board Director for the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR).
Zahrt is the founder of Revelore Press, the creative director of the Sophia Centre Press, and the deputy editor of the peer-reviewed journal Culture and Cosmos. In 2021 she founded the Celestial Arts Education Library Institute in Olympia, WA, where she currently lives.

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