Within Orb
WITHIN ORB: A podcast featuring interviews with astrologers about the books that changed their lives and practice. Join host Dr Jenn Zahrt every Monday for a new conversation. Each (roughly) thirty minute episode takes you on a journey across the textual territories of astrological publishing, both historical and future. Along the way, you’ll gather insights into the shifting sands of astrological trends, techniques, and the proliferation of practices and praxis. Each episode ends with the guest’s recommendations of books for beginners. Be careful, your tsundoku pile is about to double, or even quadruple!
Episodes

Monday May 05, 2025
088 | andrea michelle haeckel: Learning to See in the Dark
Monday May 05, 2025
Monday May 05, 2025
Astrologer and teacher andrea michelle haeckel joins host Jenn Zahrt from Edmonds, WA to chat about her upcoming Ceres Symposium, books, and more! Join the pair as they cover lots of territory, including: suffering versus struggle; the decans; the feminine way of knowing; considering Chiron and the Moon; sussing out the signs; and the relational field of cycles. All that, plus: photonic underworld sea creatures, the medicine that brings us back home, and the gastronomical with the astronomical!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded April 2025):
00:12 – andrea michelle is a professional consulting astrologer supporting clients to map and gently merge the safety structures of their Self-Identity with the deepest desires of their Soul. One of her current areas of focus is experientially re-wilding ourselves through our instinctual wisdom or what she calls our ‘panconsciousness’ – the layers of our Being that root us to Earth and the wisdom of her cycles, processes and reciprocal networks of interwoven relationships of all sentient life. She’s presented for the Sky Astrology Conference, the Cosmic Intelligence Agency, and was also a teacher for Astrology Hub’s Inner Circle in 2022 and 2024. She’s noted for her fresh, empowering work with the feminine asteroids and incorporates the Living Sky into her astrology through heliacal cycles (Planet-Sun cycles), as well as considering the vertical dimensions of planets via latitude and declination.
00:39 – andrea michelle’s first astrology book was Saturn: A New Look at an Old Devil by Liz Greene.
02:49 – If andrea michelle could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be 36 Faces: The History, Astrology and Magic of the Decans by Austin Coppock.
06:44 – andrea michelle’s second choice would be Inside Planets by Ellias Lonsdale.
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11:49 – The third title andrea michelle would bring is An Astrological Triptych by Dane Rudhyar.
20:45 – For beginners, andrea michelle recommends Cycles of Becoming: The Planetary Pattern of Growth by Alexander Ruperti and The Light of Venus: Embracing Our Deeper Feminine, Empowering Our Shared Future by Adam Gainsburg.
27:36 – Learn about andrea michelle’s upcoming virtual Ceres Symposium on June 14-15, 2025!
31:55 – Find andrea michelle at her website: https://andreamichellehaeckel.com/.
32:08 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Apr 28, 2025
087 | Kristin Mathis: Orphic Boot Camp!
Monday Apr 28, 2025
Monday Apr 28, 2025
Scholar and translator Kristin Mathis joins host Jenn Zahrt from the Big Apple! Enjoy this unique and insightful episode with one of the world’s foremost experts on the Orphic Hymns! Tune in for a deep chat covering lots of terrain, including: the deets on Orpheus; pondering the mystery traditions; preserving and translating the archaic Greek understanding of the cosmos; and the profound idea that living in a human body may limit our ability to perceive what we already are! Plus: a Kevin Bacon moment, weaving together the cosmos, and… what do ancient Egyptian texts have to do with baboons singing?
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025):
00:12 – Kristin Mathis is a translator and scholar of ancient Mediterranean religions and esoterica. Her current Mysteria Mundi project aims to re-translate the ancient Greek Orphic Hymns, making the esoteric content hidden in the original Greek wordplay accessible to a modern lay audience. The Orphic Hymns, which predate the development of Hellenistic astrology by several centuries, form a critical link between the Bronze Age astral temple traditions of Egypt, Babylonia, and Phoenicia, and all subsequent “Western” esoteric traditions, from Greek to Roman to Islamicate and beyond. Kristin resides in Brooklyn, NY, with her son, two cats, and way too many books and herbs.
00:52 – Kristin’s first book about astrology (that she came across in her research) was a catalogue of Thrasyllus’s library in the CCAG (Catalogus Codicum Astrologorum Graecorum)!
06:09 – If Kristin could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be The Orphic Hymns, translated by Gabriella Ricciardelli!
07:45 – Kristin’s second choice would be the gargantuan two-tome Greek-English Lexicon by Henry George Liddell and Robert Scott.
09:00 – The third title Kristin would bring is The Fragments of Sappho (in Greek)! For an English version, she suggests the one translated by Anne Carson.
09:26 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug! And be sure to check out our upcoming labs and summer camps!
10:13 – Enjoy Kristin and Jenn’s in-depth discussion of the Orphic Hymns!
36:24 – The books that Kristin recommends for diving into the scholarship about these cosmologies and astrologies are When They Severed Earth from Sky by Elizabeth Wayland Barber and Paul T. Barber and Echoes of the Ancient Skies: The Astronomy of Lost Civilizations by E. C. Krupp. (She also mentions Hamlet’s Mill by Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend.)
42:09 – Find Kristin at her Substack: https://mysteriamundi.substack.com/. On Bluesky, her handle is @kristinmathis.bsky.social.
42:52 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Apr 21, 2025
086 | Patrick Watson: Radical Starry Intimations
Monday Apr 21, 2025
Monday Apr 21, 2025
Astrologer Patrick Watson joins host Jenn Zahrt from Michigan! Join the pair for this jam-packed episode, covering tons of terrain, including: encouraging a broader awareness of the cosmic rhythms; zodiacal releasing and when to switch the lots; the unique skill of superforecasters; considering retrogrades as wilding and extroverted; and don’t forget latitude! All that, plus: kimchi for Mars in Cancer, an astrological big brother and a paper nephew, and… is the clock looking back at us??
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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025):
00:31 – Patrick Watson has studied astrology since his teens. He is a certified professional astrologer, specializing in traditional and modern predictive techniques. He has broad proficiency in natal, electional, horary and mundane astrology, as well as rectification. He has consulted over 2000 clients in his work as a professional astrologer. He has been featured on The Astrology Podcast, The Washington Post, ABC News, The Wall Street Journal and Vox. His research interests include Hellenistic timelord systems, synodic cycles, election prediction, financial astrology and astrological applications of AI. He currently serves as CAPISAR President. He co-founded Thema Mundi Technologies, which is developing the new astrology software Nechepso.
00:35 – Patrick read his first astrology book as a teen, pulling it from his mother’s bookshelf! It was The Astrologer's Handbook by Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker. And a shout-out to the horoscopes in The Reader's Digest, which he read at age 7!
05:02 – If Patrick could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas.
14:34 – Patrick’s second choice would be Hellenistic Astrology: The Study of Fate and Fortune by Chris Brennan.
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18:36 – The third title Patrick would bring is The Anthology by Vettius Valens.
30:39 – Honorable mentions go to Ancient Astrology in Theory and Practice: A Manual of Traditional Techniques by Demetra George and Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction by Dan Gardner and Philip Tetlock.
39:12 – Why did the chicken cross the road? Tune in! For beginners, Patrick recommends You Were Born For This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance by Chani Nicholas. And lend your ears to the delightful story about The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need by Joanna Martine Woolfolk.
42:20 – Find Patrick at his website: https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/. On most social media, he is @pwatsonastro. And Nechepso will be available May 28, 2025!
44:29 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Apr 14, 2025
085 | Andrea Mallis: Synastry, Spirituality & SPORTS!
Monday Apr 14, 2025
Monday Apr 14, 2025
Astrologer Andrea Mallis joins host Jenn Zahrt from Berkeley, CA! Andrea and Jenn discuss sports astrology, books and more, including: the importance of team incorporation dates; relationship synastry and helpful compatibility shortcuts; the era of pamphlets instead of books; and group charts. Plus: the adage “when the student is ready the teacher appears,” goats on the field, and people as a living book!
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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025):
00:31 – Certified astrologer Andrea Mallis is the creatrix of Virgo in Service Astrological Consulting and a graduate of Vicki Noble’s Motherpeace School of Healing Arts. Andrea brings over two decades of experience and devotion to her craft to guide you on your way. Andrea has a unique niche in sports astrology and has appeared on numerous national television and radio shows. She is currently the astrologer for ESPN, KNBR, 95.7 The Game, the podcast A’s Cast, and is “The Sports Sorceress” on Fox Sports Radio Sirius 83 The Ben Maller Show. Her pioneering work has been featured in The New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle. She recently appeared on CBS News Sunday Morning on Super Bowl Sunday and is the sports astrologer on Astrology.com.
04:51 – Andrea’s first astrology book was Astrology for Yourself: How to Understand and Interpret Your Own Birth Chart by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch.
07:33 – If Andrea could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be the previously mentioned Astrology for Yourself by Demetra George.
07:50 – Andrea’s second choice would be Baseball: An Astrological Sightline by César Love. (And lend your ears to César’s recent appearance on Within Orb: Episode 81, César Love: Sports Astrology!)
10:23 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug!
11:09 – The third title Andrea would bring is The Astrology of Human Relationships by Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker. (Jenn mentions Bernadette Brady’s software Jigsaw, which you can find here: https://www.bernadettebrady.com/software/.)
18:03 – For beginners, Andrea recommends Astrology for Yourself by Demetra George and Medical Astrology: Healing for the 21st Century by Marcia Starck.
22:04 – Find Andrea at her website: https://www.virgoinservice.com/. On her “about me” page, you can also find her email address, phone number, and social media links!
23:41 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Apr 07, 2025
084 | Alissa Bernard Golbus: The Celestial Sphere, Unvarnished
Monday Apr 07, 2025
Monday Apr 07, 2025
Astrologer and death doula Alissa Bernard Golbus joins host Jenn Zahrt from the Eastern Seaboard! Alissa and Jenn sit down for a chat about books and more, including: the menorah and the seven visible planets; Saturn as the planet of Judaism; an alternate chart for the United States; and the value of calculating a chart by hand. Plus: intergenerational patterns in the chart, the benefit of an enforced pause, and… hooray for Virgo!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025):
00:00 – Jenn introduces the show with info about upcoming Labs at CAELi! Check them out!
01:05 – Alissa Bernard Golbus (she/her) is a consulting natal and predictive astrologer, death doula, and nonprofit development and operations professional residing on the ancestral and unceded land of the Pawtucket and Massachusett peoples. Her client practice has a particular focus on intergenerational patterns within natal charts, as well as complex early childhood environments and how they impact our adult relationships. She gave her first client reading in elementary school (a palm reading for 25¢). Alissa is a child of Saturn.
01:26 – Alissa’s first astrology book was Sun Signs by Linda Goodman.
07:04 – If Alissa could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be The Combination of Stellar Influences by Reinhold Ebertin.
08:24 – Alissa’s second choice would be The Beginning of Wisdom: An Astrological Treatise by Abraham ibn Ezra. (Jenn also brings up Astrologies: Plurality and Diversity, edited by Nicholas Campion and Liz Greene. And Alissa gives an honorable mention to The Greatness of Saturn: A Therapeutic Myth by Robert Svoboda!)
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24:41 – The third title Alissa would bring is American Histrology by Ronald Howland.
29:44 – For beginners, Alissa recommends: The Doctrine of Nativities and Horary Questions by John Gadbury, the previously mentioned Combination of Stellar Influences by Ebertin, and Simply Math: A Comprehensive Guide to Easy and Accurate Chart Calculation by Lauran Fowks and Lynn Sellon.
40:43 – Find Alissa on Instagram and Bluesky. Or say hello to her if you’re at NORWAC 2025!
41:31 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Mar 31, 2025
083 | Alan Annand: The Greatness of a Guru and the Mystical Pipeline
Monday Mar 31, 2025
Monday Mar 31, 2025
Astrologer and author Alan Annand joins host Jenn Zahrt from Toronto in Ontario, Canada! It would be a crime not to pull up a chair for this one, so join the duo as they discuss Vedic astrology and more, including: planetary dignities and rulerships; functional benefics and malefics; the rules of horary; and illuminating Chandra Mangala Yoga and Mahabhagya Yoga! Plus: bookshop angels, passing down sacred knowledge, and “aha moments” that arrive years later!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded February 2025):
00:31 – Alan Annand is a Canadian astrologer, palmist and author. A former tutor for the British Faculty of Astrological Studies, he’s a graduate of the American College of Vedic Astrology, and Editor-in-Chief for ACVA Publications. He’s a longstanding student of Hart de Fouw, and has practiced astrology for over 40 years. His books on jyotisha – Kala Sarpa, Kama Yoga, Parivartana Yoga, and Stellar Astrology, Volumes 1-4 – have been praised for the quality of their research and writing. He’s also a crime novelist, whose New Age Noir mystery series (Scorpio Rising, Felonious Monk, Soma County) features a Vedic astrologer/palmist.
01:48 – Alan’s first astrology book was A Time for Astrology by Jess Stearn. Early on, he also read Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer by James Braha.
07:52 – If Alan could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Astrosynthesis: The Rational System of Horoscope Interpretation According to Morin de Villefranche by Jean-Baptiste Morin de Villefranche and translated by Lucy Little. (Jenn also shouts out her island pick, The Rules of Chart Interpretation by Rod Suskin.)
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17:33 – Alan’s second choice would be The Horary Textbook: Revised Edition by John Frawley.
19:44 – The third title Alan would bring is Phala Deepika by Mantreshwara and translated by S.S. Sareen. (Alan also mentions the Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra!)
31:22 – For beginners, Alan recommends getting a guru, but if books must be mentioned, he suggests Light on Life: An Introduction to the Astrology of India by Hart deFouw and Robert Svoboda.
35:49 – Find Alan at his website: https://www.navamsa.com/. And his YouTube channel is: @AlanAnnand.
36:20 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Mar 24, 2025
082 | Rebecca Farrar: Considering the Stars
Monday Mar 24, 2025
Monday Mar 24, 2025
Astrologer and writer Rebecca Farrar joins host Jenn Zahrt from the San Francisco Bay Area in California! Laugh along as the two chat about books, archetypal astrology and more, including: the unfolding journey of midlife; caring for your Pluto; and getting to a similar astrological place in different ways. All that, plus: the etymology of “consider” and “desire,” mapping the chakras, and pondering our lineage!
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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded February 2025):
00:31 – Rebecca M. Farrar, M.A. (aka Wild Witch of the West) is an archetypal astrologer and wild woman living in the San Francisco Bay Area – Coast Miwok territory. Her work has been featured in The Mountain Astrologer, Elle, Reader’s Digest, Bustle, Astrology.com, and Elite Daily. For 15 years, Rebecca has provided soul-centered astrology readings, offering healing and insights on life purpose, relationships, and finding home. When not staring at astrology transits, she can be found getting lost on a hiking trail, curled up with a good book, or watching silly TikTok videos.
01:30 – Rebecca’s first astrology book was Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas.
06:09 – If Rebecca could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be Tarnas’s Cosmos and Psyche.
06:35 – Rebecca’s second choice would be Astrology and the Rising of Kundalini: The Transformative Power of Saturn, Chiron, and Uranus by Barbara Hand Clow.
13:13 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug!
14:00 – The third title Rebecca would bring is Healing Pluto Problems by Donna Cunningham.
17:09 – For beginners, Rebecca recommends Planets in Play: How to Reimagine Your Life Through the Language of Astrology by Laurence Hillman and Codex of the Soul: Astrology, Archetypes, and Your Sacred Blueprint by VerDarLuz.
22:37 – Find Rebecca at her website: https://www.wildwitchwest.com/. On Facebook and Instagram, visit @wildwitchofthewest.
23:58 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Monday Mar 17, 2025
081 | César Love: Sports Astrology
Monday Mar 17, 2025
Monday Mar 17, 2025
Astrologer and author César Love joins host Jenn Zahrt from the San Francisco Bay Area in California! Join the team, as the two venture into left field to chat about sports, books, and more, including: the 1890s Neptune-Pluto conjunction and the birth of basketball; Chiron and collective rage; synodic cycles; and the distinction between gambling, prediction, and sports! Plus: “Team Dionysius,” the astrology of uniform and logo colors, and… book covers matter!
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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.
*****
Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025):
00:31 – César Love is an astrologer and poet based in Northern California. His book, Baseball: An Astrological Sightline, is the result of decades of research and observations. It charts the astrological history of every Major League baseball team and presents methods for observing the effects of astrological transits in every baseball game. He recently began a deep study of the astrology of basketball. His astrological writings appear in The Mountain Astrologer, Dell Horoscope, and the NCGR Memberletter. Along with Andrea Mallis, César Love produces a podcast titled Love Sports Astrology that explores the astrology within our current sports.
01:10 – Join the scavenger hunt: César can’t remember the name of his first astrology book, but it was psychological and offered the signs as archetypes. It explained the type of religion that each sign is attracted to!
05:49 – If César could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas.
11:00 – César’s second choice would be Chiron in Love: The Astrology of Envy, Rage, Compassion and Wisdom by Liz Greene.
13:09 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug!
13:56 – The third title César would bring is The Lunation Cycle by Dane Rudhyar.
24:36 – For beginners, César recommends going to a local library and finding a book that speaks to you. (Yay – we love libraries, natch!)
26:40 – Find César at his website: https://baseballastrology.com/. And join César on Zoom for his talk at the Seattle Theosophical Society, “Baseball’s Pagan Roots and The Astrology of the Mariners,” on Sunday, March 23rd, 2025 at 4pm PT.
27:56 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!
Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

Meet your host!
Jenn Zahrt PhD is an author, artist, publisher, poet, translator, and teacher of cultural astronomy and astrology. She researches the many forms of astrology emergent across human cultures past and present, with a special focus on early twentieth century German culture.
In 2012 she completed her doctoral thesis, The Astrological Imaginary in Early Twentieth Century Germany, at the University of California, Berkeley. From 2017–2022 she was appointed as an Honorary Research Fellow at the Sophia Centre for the Study of Cosmology in Culture at the University of Wales Trinity Saint David, after receiving her MA in Cultural Astronomy and Astrology (2015).
She has taught and lectured domestically and internationally in places such as Canada, the United Kingdom, and Germany. She’s an emerita of the board of trustees for Kepler College, as well as the Association for Young Astrologers. Her volunteer work for the community continues with her 2023 appointment as a Board Director for the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR).
Zahrt is the founder of Revelore Press, the creative director of the Sophia Centre Press, and the deputy editor of the peer-reviewed journal Culture and Cosmos. In 2021 she founded the Celestial Arts Education Library Institute in Olympia, WA, where she currently lives.

Celestial Arts Education Library Institute
CAELi is a global, virtual community with a brick & mortar base of operations and a deep passion for studying astrology, cosmology, and starlore in its many forms.
Located in the ancestral land of the Coast Salish people, the Nisqually and Cowlitz tribes, CAELi was founded as a member-supported, non-circulating research library in 2021. As a cultural institute, your membership supports essential research, critical conversations, and accessible workspaces for the astrological community.
Onsite and virtual members can access thousands of books, journals, and newsletters, some of which can only be found in a handful of locations throughout the world. We encourage our members to explore new realms of celestial arts research.
Thank you for joining us – we’re delighted to have you within orb!